Fair

I assume it’s from the Middle-east religions?

How the heck do you get the idea that Swedish sexual morals would be defined by people thousands of kilometres away?

I think that’s a reference to the 3 Abrahamic religions all of which originated in the Middle East - and of those Christianity most certainly is shaping the morals of Sweden (or at the least certainly has in the past)

(Judaism, Christianity and Islam being the “big 3 abrahamic” - Zoroastrianism & Bahai aren’t really in the same category worldwide and aren’t Abrahamic as far as I am aware)

“Puritanism Is the Haunting Fear That Someone, Somewhere, May Be Happy”

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/06/25/puritanism/

I have had to clarify this a couple of times now in this thread but what I wrote is not my personal stance. It is what the stated intention is. That doesn’t make it right or effective.

As per my other reply, that was understood.

I do personally believe that, assuming the stated intention is true, the law hasn’t done what was meant to be achieved perfectly and that it should be discussed whether there is something that can be done to better the situation.

Again, as per other (long) reply, the big problem is the “intention” you are portraying is not actually consistent with both the speeches made when the original laws were passed and any reasonable reading of the law.

The intention is to abolish sex work because in the minds of the framers it is not possible for an adult to consent to it.

I’m not upset with you for trying to improve understanding. I’d however implore you to consider how taking agency away from people, telling them they are not capable of making a decision about themselves and their body is morally and ethically flawed.

The justification about it stopping trafficking has not held up to analysis, criminals continue to do crime. It’s guys like the one in the article and other men & women who pay the price for someone to have a righteous middle class glow.

Strong social welfare systems (like Sweden has) help prevent people doing it from desperation - so buttress those if there’s a shortcoming. Strong regulation of migration prevents trafficking before we even get to regulating the industry. Those are things that peer reviewed papers have shown to work.

It’s OK, I understood that you were trying to explain it rather than justify it.

However the part I’m pushing back on is how you are characterising the thinking this new law, and the existing Swedish sex work laws are based on. The starting premise needs to go one further step back into the basis of the original Swedish model laws.

You say that “I understand the thinking that made the system what it is” (above) and “I can only say that such a thing wouldn’t be in the spirit of current legal thinking on the subject.” (2 posts up where “thing” is referencing “why there can’t be a regulated market for digital adult services.”)

But you fail to state that **the initial premise that the system is based on is that the Swedish state does not consider it possible for an adult to give consent to sex work. **

It’s the short answer to “why can’t there be a regulated market” - the answer is that in the view of Swedish model proponents sex-work cannot be consented to and is therefore treated in the same light as rape/abuse.

This is a position that the proponents of the Swedish model keep ducking and weaving to avoid admitting. The pseudo science it built its claims on have not held up to scrutiny.

The premise is flawed, thus the laws built on a flawed premise may be internally consisten, but that doesn’t make them rational.

Unless of course we don’t believe in bodily autonomy in which case then sure, the state had better start criminalising unprotected sex, skiing, hang gliding, bungee jumping, and anything else that might harm us.

The sex worker is doing something entirely legal. It’s up to the system to protect their right to do that while also protecting them from predation. That’s the thought, anyway.

Respectfully no it’s not.

The thought is to ensure that culpability sits with the buyer and not the seller. By criminalising the buyer the thinking is that the poor victim forced into sex work should not receive any punishment. Which is fine if the person was forced into it/trafficked but it’s not OK if the person chose to do it of their own free will.

The Swedish model is at its heart paternalistic - it denies people the right to choose to do sex work because the state doesn’t believe a person is capable of making that choice, they can only be coerced into it.

I am sympathetic to the legal thinking that lead to this current framework because of that.

As someone who has watched Swedes push their model internationally with evangelical fervour for decades and as a consequence dug into its antecedents I’d suggest you have cause and effect reversed.

The Swedish model starts with the premise that sex work is a bad thing, and moves onto how it can be prevented in a way that not only doesn’t give agency to sex workers, it actively removes and denies that they have agency. Paternalistic welfare activity has been de rigeur in the Swedish state since WW2 and this is just one facet of it.

I’m OK with Swedes running their state however they like, but when they team up with American evangelical money and run around trying to push their model onto other countries with active campaigns I’m less ok. Particularly the pseudo science that is used to justify it.

Misleading headline

“The UN’s refugee agency, UNHCR, has expressed concern over Germany’s decision to tighten border controls and reject asylum seekers at the country’s borders.”

"UNHCR’s representative in Germany, Katharina Thote, told dpa that the agency was worried about the government’s move to stop accepting asylum applications at the border. "

Worried and concerned is not “warned” which carries an implied threat. Very misleading

Perhaps related to the electricity outages in Spain Portugal and UK (Heathrow) too ?

You have a third option beyond “google as card aggregator” and “curve as card aggregator”. Third option is no card aggregator.

The first is Asteroid OS https://asteroidos.org/

The middle one is infinitime from Pine https://github.com/InfiniTimeOrg

Last one is wasp OS https://github.com/wasp-os/wasp-os

Users aren’t likely to point out a bot when the rules explicitly prevent them from doing that.

In fact one user commented that he had his comment calling out one of the bots as a bot deleted by mods for breaking that rule

I think this is “I’m 14 and I think I’m smart”

I hope so, because if an actual adult wrote this it’s very sad to see

You may wish to reword. The unspecified “they” reads like you think Meta have strict ethical rules. Lol.

Meta have no ethics whatsoever, and yes I assume you meant universities have strict rules however the approval of this study marks even that as questionable

While that is indeed what was reported, we and the researchers will never know if the posters with shifted opinions were human or in fact also AI bots.

The whole thing is dodgy for lack of controls, this isn’t science it’s marketing

That’s not only quite defeatist it’s not really true. Everything can be reverse engineered, obviously in some cases it’s not economical, but John Deere tractors and their obnoxious lockdowns are a classic case of where this leads to genuine value for people. JD robbing the farmers of the ability to perform simple repairs and charging huge bucks to do them ends up with costs on your grocery bill. This bill doesn’t directly impact that I don’t believe but it’s the simplest clearest example of why this is important.

This is brilliant news - we’re all better off for it.

Great news. About time something good happened politically.

Nice, glad it worked for you

Fair enough - racks in entirety/untouched dramatically reduces the risk of not being able to get stuff back up because of miscabling or missed cabling. I could see that approach being sensible if you’re moving across town.

I personally wouldnt if moving between cities, YMMV of course.

I’ve been in charge of relocating several data centres.

We tore everything down, servers out of racks etc.

All servers, fabric switches drive arrays etc were individually wrapped in bubble wrap then the heavy removalists cloth then into the large metal moving boxes (1500mmx1500mmx1500mm roughly) before being stacked so they couldn’t move around, followed by ratchet straps securing groups of kit together.

All this was done by professional removalists - no reason you can’t do it though.

Basically the principle is flexible padding (bubble wrap) to allow for movement close to the device without impacting it, heavy shock absorbing material (the felt), then put into a robust container (metal box) so limiting impact risk.

I’d strongly recommend NOT to leave them in the rack - a couple of screws vibrate loose and then that device drops onto the one below it, bounces up and down through the journey and wrecks them both.

If it’s a mile up the road, sure, you’ll probably be fine and get away with it, multiple hours on the road ? It’s not surviving it.