this is an extraordinarily bad take.

webnn is neat. I’m not super excited for it too much since last time I looked into it, it for sure had some issues. They seem to be addressed though. ONNX is not a terrible interface to work with either and has good platform support so that wont be an issue. I do prefer wgpu solutions however. While they don’t work with NPUs (for obvious reasons :D) they are pretty much a “program once run anywhere” solution since it supports metal, dx12 and vulkan. (Only recently got fp16 support though so most things are still rough)

but for higher perf needs I can see webnn being a lot more useful

(Not to pull rank, but my mail profile can be tracked to Netscape Navigator, across multiple OSs 😁)

just means older then I am ;D

Servo recently had a blog update where they dropped some amazing news, gmail and google chat now works, so while it’s not what you were wanting, it is some good news :D

I did. If you don’t agree fine, ok. Keep letting mozilla wasting everyones money creating a subpar browser.

literally said the exact opposite in the quoted post. But I get that reading is hard.

ofc they are, I already explained my reasoning for my comments.

for AI, a lot of what mozilla is doing is kinda… meh, llamafile is maybe useful. But mostly, the only really neat thing that is relevant to mozilla is webgpu local AI stuff which chromium has better support for anyways atm lol.

Been with firefox since it was seamonkey, and been donating regularly until around baker. Mozilla has had it’s up and downs throughout then for sure. but lately, it’s just been downs.

good thing there would be a lot more then 2m usd left.

Servo and Ladybird are progressing at an extremely rapid speed, using them as an example isn’t a good one IMO.

Appologies, I am not a tax auditor, I don’t have enough spare time to go comb through mozilla’s finances to list out every single expense mozilla has. If mozilla can’t make do on that funding, they maybe they deserve to shut it’s doors for good afterall.

Yes. Mozilla has let firefox rot. Firefox can’t even do tasks like render gradients properly (examples of such issue https://play.tailwindcss.com/9hekptcy9b https://codepen.io/art-solopov/pen/VYwwdBK. and refuse to implement stuff like webusb despite the fact that it can be done in privacy friendly ways.

I don’t think firefox is a lost cause, but I do think mozilla is a lost cause. I have little hope that mozilla will right the ship, but sometimes things happen that do give me hope.

I do think gecko is quite frankly a bad platform, there is indeed a reason why so many things use blink/chromium as a base and not gecko, is it possible to make gecko into a suitable alternative? sure, but mozilla hasn’t gotten even remotely close.

I don’t believe things like AI fund are things that should be in mozilla’s scope, at least back when I was religiously donating to mozilla, their manifesto didn’t even exist when I was, but even their old one is something more in line with what I agree with. Mozilla has changed a LOT over the years, and the return to old mozilla is what I, and many others want.

Google pays mozilla iirc around 400m a year, loosing 85% of that yeah, that sucks, sure. but yeah, there is enough to sustain firefox and thunderbird and some other things. If not, something is dreadfully wrong.

Im just wondering what benefit is it to people that they get mozilla VPN and not one of the other ones?

One’s that are actually directly related to mozilla’s mission statement, polution and studies on nuclear reactors in africa, not related.

Some of them are, copy and pasted from another comment,

300’000 for european AI fund, 100’000 on an interactive tool for exploring broadband inequalities, 50’000 for Carbon footprint, 50’000 for another pollution related project, 50’000 for studing the impact of nuclear reactors in africa

and much more here https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2024/b200-mozilla-foundation-form-990-public-disclosure-ty23.pdf

well for one, disclosed in their 2021 they spent 300’000 on an advocacy group called MCKENSIE MACK GROUP and 375’000 to new venture fund. Neither of which have anything to do with free internet technologies. And much more has been left rather hard to find.

In their annual report for 2024 they also show weird spending https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2024/mozilla-fdn-2023-fs-final-short-1209.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2024/b200-mozilla-foundation-form-990-public-disclosure-ty23.pdf

Page 7 (PDF page 8) lists the funding that executives have gotten, quite a lot for a “non profit” Page 10 (PDF page 11) is also relevant.

Where it gets really interesting is after PDF page 35

300’000 for european AI fund, 100’000 on an interactive tool for exploring broadband inequalities, 50’000 for Carbon footprint, 50’000 for another pollution related project, 50’000 for studing the impact of nuclear reactors in africa and a bunch more of these, while in some cases meaningful, completely unrelated projects from mozilla which used to be about internet and other digital rights stuff (which has changed in recent years)

I don’t think it would recoup the money that is spent, I don’t even think it needs to. Yes, a majority of their income comes from google, but they still make a lot of money, mozilla’s search income is 85 percent according to https://www.theverge.com/news/660548/firefox-google-search-revenue-share-doj-antitrust-remedies

If firefox were to focus on just firefox and thunderbird, and sure other things that do directly make them money, then they would still have plenty of funding left over for developers to work on mentioned projects

They spend so much superflous money on crap like AI and random advocacy groups. Mozilla makes a lot more money then people tend to think they do.

Last I checked, mozilla VPN is just mullvad.

off the top of my head,

• Mozilla VPN
• Mozilla Pocket
• Llama file (and all the other AI BS like Solo)
• Didthis was just recently shut down

and there were other serfvices that I can’t remember right now. And then there is all the money they redirect everywhere else for advocacy and other stuff that I don’t care at all about. If I donate to mozilla, I want to donate to firefox, not some random junk projects.

it would be really nice if US v Chrome were to force google to quit it. in terms of Firefox/Mozilla, it would likely be a net positive as it would force then to rethink what they so.

Mozilla does tons of superfluous crap. And I do mean crap. Mozilla should refocus on specifically making Firefox a good browser instead of all the other junk.