Thank you for providing that video!
I hadn’t seen it before, and I can definitely understand why its content is disturbing.
Granted, as I’m unable to understand the context beyond what AP themselves have provided, I’ll (for the sake of the argument) accept this as Palestinians celebrating an attack on the US.
Then, my initial intention was to dissect the argument and explain why I can’t agree with your extrapolation[1]. However, to my surprise, your extrapolation might not be as far-fetched as I initially thought 😅. But, this ultimately depends on what you mean precisely. So, please allow me to ask further clarifications:
- With “Israel would simply not exist on the map today.”, what do you mean exactly? Like, what would come in its place? What would become of the Israeli people?
- With “And the Palestinians would be openly celebrating over the dead bodies of Israeli people.”, do you mean something similar like we see on the footage? Or something more grandiose? (And perhaps more sinister?)
Let me know if you still aren’t convinced.
Please allow me to take you up on that offer 😜.
That is, “But if Palestine had the kind of military backing Israel does, Israel would simply not exist on the map today. And the Palestinians would be openly celebrating over the dead bodies of Israeli people.” ↩︎
Your reply is much appreciated, fam! Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to return right away. I thank you for your patience! Btw, I’m not native. So, if I misuse any terms/words/phrases or whatnot; my apologies. Usually, I put in some significant effort to alleviate this. Sadly, I didn’t quite have the chance to do so this time. Thank you for your understanding!
Thanks fam for the compliments! Your engagement is (I think) (at least) equally commendable!
Btw, I understood the implied context of the footage. But, it would be intellectually dishonest if I didn’t take into account the framing at hand. Cuz, if we were to be very critical of the footage itself (so without AP’s provided text as guidance), then there’s nothing explicitly there that connects those celebrations to the 9/11 killings; no burning of American flags or anything that would imply it. Granted, I assume neither of us speak Arabic. So that doesn’t help either 😅.
Just to be clear, I’m well aware that this story is pretty much uncontested[1]. So I’m not actually disputing it. But, with the benefit of hindsight[2], it’s hard to completely deny any ulterior motives for broadcasting said celebrations.
And to push back: is it sociologically-speaking strange for them to be glad that the biggest support of their rivals has received a retribution?
History has indeed taught us that that[3]’s a pretty likely outcome. But, I was also curious to hear your take on the other question. Namely, “What would become of the Israeli people?”.
Likely indeed.
For this, I’m not so sure. But it could be.
Ah, another celebration. I’m starting to notice a pattern :P .
Another one.
This video I didn’t pay a lot of attention to as the media outlet didn’t seem to be as reliable as I’d like.
I think I got the message by now :P .
If sainthood is achieved through suffering alone, then I’d argue they would make a good chance. But yeah, I get where you’re hinting at.
I did find this, but it seems to be a biased take. ↩︎
That is, the eventual wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. ↩︎
Nation states only exist since relatively recently. So, there has never been a Palestinian state or something. However, Muslim rule has dictated over those lands. My reading of history informs me that while Jews definitely weren’t first-class citizens, they were fortunately not persecuted like we saw in other parts of the world. ↩︎