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As someone who is way into the idea of Linux, wants to switch, and is very gun-shy about the million little programs and extensions I might not be able to replace, let me tell you what is required of anybody who is actually genuine in their desire to see Linux gain the traction it deserves:
Don’t ever tell anybody to read the manual again. Just answer the god damn question. It’s good when answers to basic, common problems are peppered around the internet like that; it’s dumb and wrong and weird to think of it as a thing to be avoided. If you’d like to put a link to the part of the manual where the questioner could have looked to find it, that’s cool, too. Don’t just leave the link–there’s a good chance they didn’t understand it and that’s why they’re asking. Maybe they just want a person-answer instead of a reference-manual-answer, and it’s good when the answer exists in both forms. Every answered question is a contribution.
I would go even further: the version of reality where Linux beats Windows and ushers in an era of community-centric open source dominance is populated by a Linux community that considers “rtfm”, “pebcac”, etc to be borderline bannable offenses. If you are a small, weak person, and want Linux to be your way of thinking you’re better than other people, you’ll drive question-askers away, back to Inferiority Land, using your knowledge to dunk on them instead of help them, and call it a win. These are the ugly bridge trolls, who may as well be paid Microsoft employees, keeping people away from your community, and a serious change of pace might yield much smoother adoption. At the very least, the community owes it to their own work to see how much smoother.
As someone considering the switch seriously, the knowledge that I may have to deal with people like that is absolutely, 100% a factor, and I am someone who has no qualms about telling someone on the internet to fuck off, so it’s gonna be more of an issue for many others who are more conflict-averse.
The Linux community needs to take very seriously whether it actually wants increased open source adoption, or if it wants to remain a tiny minority so that it has a nice, large majority to feel better than.
I always try to help new users. I was a beginner once so I know how it feels to be told to rtfm by some cunt. Half the time I have an issue i’ll search it up only to find some reddit post with someone asking the same question and getting shit on by elitists who have nothing going on in their own lives. In any case, if you ever need help I or someone else would be happy to help to the best of our ability.
I hate it when you Google an issue and all you can find is a Reddit thread of the same problem where the only response is someone saying to Google it
I’ll take that over the windows ‘support’ forums where the people with superuser titles don’t understand basic questions and the answer tends to be to see if it gets fixed in a future version of windows.
And those posts are a decade old because they were never fixed.
OMG, LOL. Yes!
“Do <cut & paste from the MS support, please tell me if it helps” “Ehh, I was asking about something completely unrelated, bro…”
But even that beats the Atlassian forums, LOL
Linux isn’t ready for the mass Market yet. I say that as someone that has been a Windows free household for like over 8 years and who actively attempts to convert as many of my friends as I can.
It is not and probably never will be general market ready. Too fragmented and too many options. Which is why I love it so I wouldn’t want it to change either.
It is ready if you start learning it from children, but people first touches a Windows machine, and then they get used to what they already know.
Example of someone that never touched a Windows, post from 2 years ago: https://duncanlock.net/blog/2022/04/06/using-windows-after-15-years-on-linux/
And I read people that claims they are better on Ubuntu because is what they first started to use (because of lack of money) and now they find it hard to use Windows, because they got used to Linux and they aren’t either programmers.
Maybe what Linux needs is marketing. The Steam console is an example of how well it sells.
Some Valve documentation was released concerning third party hardware shipping with SteamOS. Big if true.
You’re quite late. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but they’ve got Windows 11 now. There are people using it. Not me, but people.
All true. The point is that win 11 doesn’t support a lot of old hardware that’s perfectly usable, just doesn’t have TPM2.0 chips built into them. There are some hacks around it, but it takes a great deal of desire and proficiency to make them work.
Yeah, and it sucks in like 30 other ways, but unfortunately people aren’t smart and will be going to 11 like the drones they are. I’m dual booting Linux and 10 and spend 100% of my time on 10 because having to configure and go into terminal 24/7 isn’t as fun as Lemmy makes it out to be.
having to configure and go into console 24/7
You’re not running any Linux that I’ve used in the past ten years then. What relic of a bygone age are you running?
Right? I’ve been running Mint the past year, can count the amount of times I had to boot into windows on my fingers, and having to use the terminal to do things is like an occasional, once every couple months thing, usually to solve a problem I’ve created for myself.
I remember trying Linux in the early 2010s. When it looked like a modern OS, but behaved like it always had up to that point. That was misery.
also anyone who complains about the terminal in Linux is clearly not very computer competent in Windows, as I recall frequently using Command Prompt and PowerShell to get shit done. At least, they’re not doing anything remotely complex if they’ve never encountered or had to use either.
He’s either using a 15 year old copy of Ubuntu, or he dove straight into the deep end with Arch like a dumbass and nobody told him about the wiki.
Or using an atomic/immutable distro like Bazzite. If it’s not flatpacked, you have to either distrobox or docker it. Something as simple as a Plex server does require terminal use.
